I thought former JWs were under Satan, so it's nice to see he's my peer. Also missing are the angels, they report directly to the GB if I'm not mistaken.
Ultimate Axiom
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Organizational Chart of Jehovah's Witnesses
by cobaltcupcake ina friend of mine posted this on facebook.
it made me spit diet pepsi all over my screen!.
http://i.imgur.com/zrdgx.jpg.
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Can you list watchtower articles that claim anything from the 'faithful slave' should be taken as from jehovah himself?
by EndofMysteries injust a few wts that put to the effect anything from them should be taken as from jehovah himself and also with elders or being disfellowshipped, that it means jehovah himself is angry with them, that's it's punishment from him.
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Thank you Quendi, a very informative reply and much appreciated.
So, yet another example of a deliberately misleading half truth from the lovers of “Truth”. Reminds me of the claim in the Watchtower of February 15th 1966 (page 103) " For over thirty years before [1914] Jehovah’s Witnesses have pointed to the year 1914 as the time for the end of “the appointed times of the nations” and the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule."
Now, while it is true that in 1879 the Watchtower “pointed to” 1914 as the end of “the appointed times of the nations”, it is simply not true to say that 1914 was also “pointed to” as "the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule" - before 1914, that happened in 1878 - it was more than a decade after 1914 that the Watchtower settled on 1914 for that event. And apart from this error (or lie) what they also left out of the 1966 Watchtower article was the fact that for thirty years before 1914 the significance of the end of “the appointed times of the nations” was that it would also be the end of Armageddon. But such an inconvenient detail would obviously damage their attempt to boost their divine guidance credentials so could not be mentioned.
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Can you list watchtower articles that claim anything from the 'faithful slave' should be taken as from jehovah himself?
by EndofMysteries injust a few wts that put to the effect anything from them should be taken as from jehovah himself and also with elders or being disfellowshipped, that it means jehovah himself is angry with them, that's it's punishment from him.
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"In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p. 444
Does anyone know the original 1942 reference?
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Which bible book is the closest to the feel of the Awake!
by mP inwe all know that wts literacy is based on the bible, thus im trying to figure out which bible book the awake mag reads most like.
i would say that the w!
is probably the book of revelation..
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Lame 'n' tat ions
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Just had my first JW call at my house.
by strymeckirules inso i'm having a quite morning and then "ding" goes the front bell.. not expecting anyone, saturday morning 11:00am.. go to the door look out the window and see briefcases.. i open the door not knowing what i would say or do.. .
it's old terry the elder and his sidekick 25-30 male.. i knew terry from my childhood.
he gave many talks at conventions.
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I think you won that one too. And you certainly aren't alone with all those feelings.
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Here we go again on "false prophecies"
by booker-t inhi ex-jws on this board.
i have a question that needs answering.
for years i have read on this board ex-jws, born-agains, and other anti-jw group condemn jws for "false prophecies".
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booker-t, The Watchtower of May 1, 1977, page 8, described a simple two part test for identifying a true messenger (or prophet) of Jehovah. It reads:
“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!”
I suggest you ask this CO to give an example of even a single message that the WTS has delivered that has come true (and no after the event prophecies). I for one would be eager to hear them.
Then I would ask him to explain the following messages that have not come true (I could give you plenty more examples, but this dozen should suffice). Surely, by the WT’s own yardstick, they are a false messenger!
1). The Battle of Armageddon would end in 1914 (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. II, 1889 Ed., page 101, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol IV, 1897 Ed., page 622 and The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, page 99).
2). The Battle of Armageddon would end in 1915 (Studies in the Scriptures, 1915 Ed., Vol. II, page 101 and The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, page 242).
3). The Day of Vengence would break in 1918 (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, page 404 and Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, page 485).
4). All of the governments would be swallowed up in anarchy by the fall of 1920 (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, pages 258 and 542).
5). The Kingdom in Palestine will be set up in 1925 (Studies In The Scriptures, Vol VII, The Finished Mystery, 1917, page 128).
6). The prophets of old would be resurrected in 1925 (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1918 edition, page 89 and 1920 edition, page 97).
7). Armageddon is coming within months of 1935 (Universal War Near, 1935, pages 3, 26 and 27).
8). Armageddon is coming within months of 1941 (Watchtower September 15, 1941, page 228).
9). The prophets of old would be resurrected in 1942 (Consolation, April 27, 1942, page 13).
10). Armageddon would come within the lifetime of people alive in 1914 (Watchtower, June 1, 1951, page 335, Watchtower, July 1, 1951, page 404 and You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, 1982, page 154).
11). Armageddon would come in the mid 1970s (Awake October 8, 1966, page 20, Watchtower, May 1, 1968, Watchtower, August 15, 1968, page 499 and Awake!, October 8, 1968, page 14).
12). Armageddon would come in the 20th Century (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971, 2nd edition pages 216 and 356 and Watchtower January 1, 1989, page 12).
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Just had my first JW call at my house.
by strymeckirules inso i'm having a quite morning and then "ding" goes the front bell.. not expecting anyone, saturday morning 11:00am.. go to the door look out the window and see briefcases.. i open the door not knowing what i would say or do.. .
it's old terry the elder and his sidekick 25-30 male.. i knew terry from my childhood.
he gave many talks at conventions.
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I remember those adrenalin rushes, but I no longer tell them that I used to be a dub. I tell them that my sister has been a dub for over 40 years and that I have read a lot about it (all true). Then I ask them about all the failed prophecies and why I should believe them any more now than before. They genuinely do not know that the Watchtower said that Armageddon was going to come in 1914 (or any other date come to that). No, they say, that’s when Christ’s Invisible Presence, the parousia, began. That’s what you say now, but up until the early 1930s, the Watchtower said that the parousia began in 1874, and then I give then a pre-prepared list of pertinent Watchtower quotations that I keep near the door, and recommend that they go and look them up for themselves. It’s really quite fun, but I haven’t had a visit for ages, except for a dear old lady who came around to invite us to the memorial, and I don't think she was really up to such a debate.
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"We are at the end of the last day of the last days. The governing body feels strongly about this."
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Thank you PrincessCynic.
It's been a long time finding this place. I only wish I had found it a decade or so ago - there have been some fascinating threads here.
I get a bit of stick from my wife for spending so much time reading through them, but after "knowing" the truth, and the imminence of the end, and then the utter disillusionment when you realise you have based your life on someone’s fantasy, it’s good to talk about it. It’s also important to expose this nonsense to the thousands that are still falling for it. I have every sympathy for them – what I cannot understand are those that fell for it with me in the late 60s and early 70s, and still swallow “the end is imminent” line. I still have many friends that have been “in the truth” for over forty years and they still “know” that time is so very short. When are they going to wise up?
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"We are at the end of the last day of the last days. The governing body feels strongly about this."
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Are you sure "Then Is Finished" was released in 1966?
Clearly a mix up with the titles. "Life Everlasting in Freedon for the Sons of God" came out in 1966, and was the first book to identify 1975. "Then is Finished the Mystery of God" came out in 1969. It didn't have anything to say bout 1975, just the fevered imagination of Fred Franz.
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"We are at the end of the last day of the last days. The governing body feels strongly about this."
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In 1979 at the conclusion of a Curcuit Assembly in Bowes Road, North London, the DO said, "Brothers, do not let anyone deceive you into thinking that Armegeddon is many years away, it is not, it is just around the corner". Nothing has fundamentally changed.